You see, even the stuff that is theoretically complimentary in this arena can feel bad. “We’ve all been there where we feel like… I don’t know, maybe we’ve been going to the gym or going running and you just come back from holiday, you’ve got a tan, and you’re like, ‘I think I look great right now,’” he says. “There are those moments in life where you feel good about yourself. If someone says in a comment like, ‘Oh, my God, glow up!’ you’re like, ‘Oh, man,’ because I know that I can only keep that up for a day or two and then I’m back to the burgers. And then, secondly, What was I like [before]? Glow up?!”

O’Connor doesn’t necessarily want to fit into the traditional movie-star aesthetic, anyway. “As a person, Josh has never changed,” says Dior’s creative director Jonathan Anderson. O’Connor had been fronting campaigns for Anderson at his previous brand, Loewe, since 2017. “He has always been the same Josh.”

One of the core movie memories from O’Connor’s childhood was seeing Pete Postlethwaite in Brassed Off, a 1990s comedy about dispirited coal miners in a brass band in the north. “I was like, ‘Whoa,’” he says. “That was the first time I watched a movie where the movie star looks like someone I know, a relative, doesn’t look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Leo in Titanic. He looks a bit gnarled and real. I just remember being like, ‘Fuck, that’s incredible.’”

Later, he mentions Postlethwaite again when I ask him about the kind of career he’d like to have. “The movie stars I’m really becoming more and more intrigued by are the ones that do something and then disappear, and then they pop up in this other movie and you’re like, ‘Huh, that’s that guy,’” he tells me. They’re what you might call “journeyman actors,” he says, namechecking Philip Seymour Hoffman, too.